Knowing your IDE

sde · 10-19-2003, 10:41 PM

I have spent the last couple days going through Visual Studio and figuring out what everything is.

I attended a seminar last week on a new .NET language and learned many things about Visual Studio, ... it made me realize just how much I didn't know about the IDE itself.

The problem was that I was focusing so much on C# with the mindset that C# and Visual Studio are one.

Of course I knew they were different, but never realized just how complex the IDE really is, and how much of it works the same for all the .NET languages.

I've read many books and none of them stress how important it is to understand your tools well before you begin using them ( unless i skipped past that chapter

) however I do think that much of it would not have made sense if I hadn't been coding/studying a lot of c# until now.

It's definately something worth thinking about .. I just thought I'd mention it .. not much else goin on around here

Maybe tomorrow I'll tackle Zend Studio.

palin · 10-20-2003, 08:35 PM

Heh

VS is pretty complex not that I've used it in years. Right now I'm trying to learn about linux developement and the IDEs aren't as complex as VS or Borlands stuff but you can do a lot with emacs/vi and automake, make. also knowing how to create your own make file can come in handy.

Belisarius · 10-21-2003, 08:16 AM

I've been using Netbeans (was a Emacs/XEmacs users for a long time). It's a bit slow, but has a lot of functionality. Will warn you of mistakes you're making ahead of compile time.

DesertWolf · 11-12-2003, 02:06 PM

O'Reilly has a book out that is just about VS IDE. So it must have quite a bit buried in it.

sde · 11-12-2003, 02:38 PM

hey dw. .. haven't seen ya in a while... how's the mac dev going?

i finally sat down to take a serious look at cocoa and after reading a few pages on it, i decided to fire up the mac and go at it ..

the mac is broken though. won't power up. i have to take it to apple store friday.

DesertWolf · 11-12-2003, 08:32 PM

Acually I have been pretty busy. I haven't had a lot of time for Cocoa (Wish I did).
I had to do so Java/JDBC stuff for my parents, then the first week of Oct. I finaly got a job. I'm working for a non-profit group in Phoenix. My title is IT Coordinator, but it is more like Analyst/Programmer/System Admin, but I am enjoying it.
I will probably be around a bit more now, I will be having PHP and .NET questions here soon.
And I saw the posting about your Mac not wanting to power up, that sucks, my iMac and 12" Powerbook keep chuging along, though I had to put VirtualPC with WinXPPro on it so I can do .Net on it.

sde · 11-12-2003, 09:01 PM

heeh, yeah, i think i was a little upset when i posted the mac thing =)

i've been having tons of fun with c# .. since i hear it's so much like java, i think i might try my hand at java programming for mac before i jump into cocoa.

congratulations on the job!

DesertWolf · 11-12-2003, 09:14 PM

From what I have seen of C# it looks real similar. I am debating on learning it, or VB.Net, they both have their plus's and minuses. We will see. As for Java on Mac I really didn't like Apple's dev tools for Java. I used JBuilder. The new version Borland is comming out with is suppost to have an OSX version.
And thanks on the job, Tommarow I get to interview people for my assistant, have only been there a month and I get my own help. Not too bad

sde · 11-12-2003, 09:20 PM

i don't see any advantages with vb.net unless you are already familiar with the language and don't want to take the time to learn c#.

with vb.net, you gotta worry about the legacy code which they had to allow for backwards compatibility. c# is the only .net language developed purely for the .net framework.

assistant huh? =D i need one of them. hehe

i wonder how much the borland osx ide will cost. i'll check into that.

DesertWolf · 11-12-2003, 09:24 PM

There is suppost to be a Personal or Community edition that will be free. The only thing is it isn't out yet.

Cutie · 12-28-2003, 09:17 PM

For the cheap C# developers there's #Develop:

http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/

Which is being ported to Mono (Linux implementation of .NET) by Ximian's Todd Berman.

Here is his blog where you can follow the development - hacking has been ongoing for about 10 days now he kindly told me on IRC.

http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/tberman/

Ain't it just beautiful?

sde · 12-28-2003, 09:44 PM

that's great !! thanks for the link cutie!

Valmont · 12-30-2003, 03:10 AM

Quote:

c# is the only .net language developed purely for the .net framework.

Sometimes I hear people say: C# is Java done the right way.

Hehe.
I remain silent...