Code Ignitor / Frameworks

[sde]

I stumbled across Code Ignitor yesterday while listening to the author mention it in a phparchitect podcast.

This is a light-weight MVC based framework that looks like it has some real potential. I watched the video tutorials but haven't used it yet.

Anyone else using frameworks? If so, which ones and why?

[DJMaze]

Building my own in PHP5.
Why?

- Code Igniter still to slow
- None has addressed the severe issues in PHP 5
- No slim and proper "PHP 5 only" based framework exists yet
- All are client side bloated (TinyMCE or any other huge WYSIWYG)
- To much (ajax)HTTP requests per page
- No accessibility (WAI-AA, Section508, etc.)
- Not ISO 17799 compliant

I'm working on mine for 3 years already and the base is still not finished.
But, it is still damn fast with a small memory footprint.
http://cvs.moocms.com/

P.S. If you know in which order PHP 5 destructs objects at cleanup (exit) you know why it sucks

[sde]

I always thought of a CMS and Framework as different, but I guess CMS' mostly use their own frameworks.

Are you the only developer for moo? I may have to just install it and give it a whirl soon.

What are your thoughts on Drupal? I have done a lot of contract work lately with that CMS.

[Belisarius]

Funny, I just had someone ask a similar question on another board, only to decide that all frameworks were bloated pieces of junk and tossed it on the pile along with Object Oriented Programming.

Anyways, all I had been using is PEAR, but I'd heard about frameworks over the past couple of months. Ignitor is one, as are CakePHP and the Zend Framework (I'd probably give the latter a shot first, being that it was developed at Zend).

As for Drupal - I've been using it a bit recently, and I in general like it, but I'm still trying to get my head around exactly how to create mods. And some of it's terminology is a bit confusing - things like "taxonomy" and "books" don't cleanly fit in with how I think about a website.

[sde]

DJM, I registered and activated my account, but I get stuck on a page that reads

Access to the URL that you requested, http://moocms.com/, is forbidden.

I'm on FF 2.0

I haven't checked out Zend Framework yet. I've dabbled in CakePHP a bit but I'm not sold on any single framework yet.

I'm enjoying Drupal development. It is a little complicated in that you need to spend a lot of time with it to understand the software specific architecture, but the more time I spend with it, the more I enjoy working with it.

[DJMaze]

MOO CMS is not ready for production so there's no download.
I'm the only developer since anyone, from my other project, that tried was dazzled about the technical structure of things.

I could make a zip with instructions of my current source so that you all could have a look at it.

Drupal is nice indeed but, as with many frameworks, CRM's and CMS's they mostly forget the biggest issue: high traffic

PHP is not designed to pre-process loads of classes and files on each page request (same with Ruby), but instead, was a language for fast dynamic markup. The web is designed to show webpages not to design full blown GUI's.
If you ever build high-traffic websites, you will know what strain a framework (and especialy forums) have on the overall performance of the server.

To my knowledge, Drupal is the only one that has forseen some of these issues.

[sde]

How far off are you from even alpha releases? I'd take a look at it if you make a zip available.

The high-traffic Drupal sites I work on are sitting on 2 servers behind a load balancer with Postgres as the db. That setup is pretty solid.

I installed Zend Framework last night and had a go at it. It's actually something I might consider using as a base for project but I need some more time with it.

[DJMaze]

Alpha should be ready when i finally decide on the ACL structure.
The current structure doesn't handle well and has no good seperation of admin and user levels.

Zend framework is nice, MOO CMS supports it and PEAR as well.
The reason: "You control your framework, not the designer"