AMD or Intel?

w00t · 02-25-2003, 11:50 PM

I personally have had great luck with the pentium series CPU's I've owned (2 P166's, P1000, P2400). No problems with heat or reliability. I'm curious about AMD though, and maybe my next project will be to build an amd system. But for now, Intel rocks my world

:p

Ilya020 · 02-26-2003, 06:19 AM

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I personally have had great luck with the pentium series CPU's I've owned (2 P166's, P1000, P2400). No problems with heat or reliability. I'm curious about AMD though, and maybe my next project will be to build an amd system. But for now, Intel rocks my world

:p

I couldnt agree with you more! No matter what Vlad says, I will always (right now anyways) go with an Intel over and AMD. I find Intels to be much more reliable and have less heat problems. However, Isnt it true that yu can overclock AMD's a lot more than Intels? (Vlad told me) Just my big non-closing mouth....

Ilya.

Phaedrus · 02-26-2003, 06:22 AM

Thats just microsoft propaganda

I did hear a story about a AMD that burned down a house in the US. But i reckon in general Amd is better. Its cheaper and faster, and besides unless you run programs like seti@home, theres really no need to keep your computer running 24/7.

Ilya020 · 02-26-2003, 06:23 AM

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Its cheaper and faster

Faster? I thought that Intels were faster... I thought the fastest AMD was like 1700 Mgz!?

Whats going on here?

Ilya.

w00t · 02-26-2003, 07:30 AM

I think the AMD 3000+ with the Barton core is capable of 2.26 GHZ.

sde · 02-26-2003, 07:52 AM

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Thats just microsoft propaganda I did hear a story about a AMD that burned down a house in the US. But i reckon in general Amd is better. Its cheaper and faster, and besides unless you run programs like seti@home, theres really no need to keep your computer running 24/7.

or web servers, game servers, db servers, etc ...

my intel p4 1.7ghz is my workhorse for my home computer .. i have another amd xp2000 box i use for a test box. i notice that i do have more problems with amd when installing 'non windows' o/s.

i do run a couple web/game servers 24/7 on amd processors though .. primarily because of the price.

Kernel_Killer · 02-26-2003, 08:05 AM

That's wierd. My AMD is running at 2GHz and it's not on fire. A matter of fact it's at 37 degrees.

But seriously. I prefer AMD over Intel. The overclocking ability is quite amazing really. Not in the AthlonXP 2800+ though. That one got b0rked. I'm sure the 3000+ would be one killer OC CPU. It's quite the CPU. Completely new design. Barton core. .13 micron process, quanta-speed arch (of course) 333MHz FSB.

I have to look up some benchmarks to see the real performance increase. Doesn't look like they did anything much different from the 2600+'s and the 2800+'s except for the Barton core. It's almost good that AMD brought back the PR Rating since this CPU went down in MHz from the previous non-barton CPU @ 2.167GHz.

DarkTwilkitri · 02-26-2003, 01:39 PM

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Faster? I thought that Intels were faster... I thought the fastest AMD was like 1700 MHz!?

Yeah, so when you've got a processor that has roughly the same performance as one which is 3/2 as fast, that says something, doesn't it?

To use an analogy from a magazine -
The speed is like the revs of an engine. Just because one engine is running faster doesn't mean that it's got more power.

Admin · 02-26-2003, 02:39 PM

have you guys seen the video of the AMD burning up when its heat since was removed? its pretty freakin cool.

the pentium just slowed down

JeC · 02-26-2003, 03:46 PM

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have you guys seen the video of the AMD burning up when its heat since was removed? its pretty freakin cool.

the pentium just slowed down

Yeh, thats my personal reason for the Intel over the AMD. My CPU fan broke on my one time, and my P4 managed to hold itself together, I dont think any AMD would live long w/out a HSF.

Also, I have heard alot of people complain about breaking their AMD chips due to their Construction, while putting Heat Sinks on them. (I dunno exactally, like scratching them...)

Finally, I can't see why AMD have to have the names of all their chips @ like Athalon 2100+ when the processor is only like 1700mhz. That to me just seems like a cheap marketing ploy for unweary players.

But Intel for me, unless AMD come up with some magical new archetecture that you can get real cheap and that can overclock a heap, and will no burn up and break when I put a new HSF on it.

Just my 2c

DarkTwilkitri · 02-26-2003, 05:16 PM

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Finally, I can't see why AMD have to have the names of all their chips @ like Athalon 2100+ when the processor is only like 1700mhz. That to me just seems like a cheap marketing ploy for unweary players.

Actually, it's because uninformed people will just buy the ones with the highest numbers. They don't care/know about the actual performance.

So AMD can't just put the clock speed, because then no-one apart from people who know the performance differences would buy them.

JeC · 02-26-2003, 08:58 PM

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Actually, it's because uninformed people will just buy the ones with the highest numbers. They don't care/know about the actual performance.

So AMD can't just put the clock speed, because then no-one apart from people who know the performance differences would buy them.

On the note of n00b PC buyers... I'm not disagreeing with your point (its 100% right), but have you ever seen AMDs sold in 'off the shelf' PCs?

I cant say I have, or at least it hasn't stuck out in my mind. Everything by DELL/IBM/GATEWAY/COMPAQ-HP/ all seem to be Intel's anyway.

IMO, AMD's market would be the PC inthusiast, as their chips arnt used in minstream PCs as much.

Kernel_Killer · 02-26-2003, 11:50 PM

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Yeh, thats my personal reason for the Intel over the AMD. My CPU fan broke on my one time, and my P4 managed to hold itself together, I dont think any AMD would live long w/out a HSF.

Actually, if you have a motherboard to support one of these more recent CPUs, it will have a throttle, or shutdown fuction for when the CPU hits the temperature threshhold. I ran one of my XPs for about 20 minutes b4 I noticed it was being very quiet b/c the fan wasn't running. That one still works great to this day.

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Actually, it's because uninformed people will just buy the ones with the highest numbers. They don't care/know about the actual performance.

So AMD can't just put the clock speed, because then no-one apart from people who know the performance differences would buy them.

That's one problem, and AMD knows that. If they showed their actually speeds, people would think AMD was way behind except for the people who know their true performance.

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IMO, AMD's market would be the PC inthusiast, as their chips arnt used in minstream PCs as much

Yeah that would be great if M$ and Intel didn't have those companies contracted below the belt. Even without the big companies selling PC's with their CPUs, they still have many other companies helping them out. One being Alienware. Even their reputation alone is doing them just fine.

Don't get me wrong. Intel makes great CPUs, and I'm glad they are finally offering Linux/UNIX support and utilities. It's the cost that hurts a lot of us. I hate to buy a CPU for as much as I could build another AthlonXP system.

schotty · 02-28-2003, 04:18 AM

Just to cause hell (awww, not holy hell, just hell)

AMDs today are neck in neck with Intel. Trust me. ITs the mobo that really makes a diff. I got a buddy with a 700 Mhz duron that outperformed a p3-800 befcause it was a crap mobo.

The real victor will be the winner of teh 64-bit race. AMD is already committed, Intel said **** it. What was the smart choice? We shall see. Either way,

I personally cant wait to upgrade. I am waiting to grab a dual AMD64 rig, and slap RedHat on it (FreeBSD would be fine too). That sucker is going to be slick!

JeC · 02-28-2003, 04:30 AM

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I personally cant wait to upgrade. I am waiting to grab a dual AMD64 rig,

Oh yeh, 64bit I can't wait

Might be a while before the $$ is right for me though.